Plant based foods????

[DMD123]

Hey stop all the bickering.... I did not want to start a food debate here.

And if I want to feed my fish cat food.... wait a minute that wasnt what I meant. :joker:

Really I was just concerned that the Pearsei being a noticeable plant eater (take a look at its teeth) would suffer by eating a typical high protein pellet. Like I said the Omega One kelp pellet is awesome but even now my fish at 7" wants larger than a 2mm and Omega One does not make one. Just like NLS not making a floating 3mm. Right now that Pearsei gobbles up 3mm sinking NLS like its nothing so Im sure going to the larger 4.5mm floating is soon coming.

But for now I have the Kelp pellets and NLS 2mm to feed the incoming Pearsei. All is well.

 

[fishman09]

Should try some of kens stuff. Has a good variability in pellet size and my fish love them. He has a veg pellets that i was thinking about trying.

 

[RD.]

DMD - if you are happy with the Omega line, and are looking to add even more aquatic plant matter than what is found in NLS, perhaps try the Veggie Rounds. That should resolve the size issue for you, and IMHO would be FAR better for your pearsei than feeding a bunch of soybean meal, wheat & corn to your fish. (koi food)

http://www.omegasea.net/veggie_rounds.html

 

[Anonymous]

Kens is alright, omega one is a step to the side, but to really give your fish everything they need, feed NLS. It is made up of the most usable types of both protein and plant matter. There is a reason it does so well with fish like trophs, as well as marine, and pscivore fishes. I feed it to my live bearers, my shell dwellers, and my sand sifters, my parachromis, my amps etc etc. Its simply the best. A lot of foods will do just fine for a lot fish, but only one takes pride in saying it is an all around great staple for almost all fish. I used to feed all kinds of foods, but I finally figured out why NLS was best. Like madness said, do the research... or better yet, look at the results. You have seen bettys fish, if you have seen any of my posts on mfk within the last year or so, then you have seen my fish. I feed NLS only. And I have had great results. But don't take my word for it. Take a picture of your fish now, switch to an only NLS diet, and take a picture in a mounth. I think you will find the results shocking. I did.

By the way, this is an example of me being around, but not logged on. Good luck D.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh, and on the topic of how much protein..... its more a matter of how usable the protein is. You can talk to a health nut, body builder or nutritionist on the matter. As a matter of fact, Forest is a personal trainer and is in excelent health/shape... I am sure he can give some examples of benificial proteins vs fattier proteins in humans. And taking that same bit of info (not comparing fish to humans, just protein is protein) you can use it in deciding what food is best for your fish. Sorry for talking, and no I haven't been drinking

 

[DMD123]

Good to hear from you VW.

Ive already been feeding some NLS and I did notice an improvement in color. My bifa really colored up nice on the stuff. I just was not sure about the Pearsei with its plant based diet needs. But if my mix is OK with the NLS as the staple then Im just going to continue what Im doing.

 

[Anonymous]

Sounds about right. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm always around, just never logged on, and not nearly as much as I used to be. I have to much fish keeping to do to stay up with the latest peeing contests that most forums have turned in to, Kinda stinks. I'm still around, and have more tanks and more species of fish. At least half of the regulars on hear have number, and anyone can shoot me a text, call or email anytime. And I will happily chat fish for hours.

 

[DMD123]

Im not trying to stir anything up here, but I have also been using Xtreme Aquatic Foods in my mix and they have an interesting comparison chart on many different foods as to the ingredients list. I am not commenting one way or another on it. Just some interesting info that all.

http://www.xtremeaquaticfoods.com/
look under "Manufactured Fish Foods Comparison Chart"

 

[Anonymous]

I have heard good things about xtream. It seems to be in the same catagory as kens, and omega one. Its better then hakari, tetra, etc.

 

[DMD123]

Im not saying it is better than anything but I do like the fact that the "Big Fella" 3mm stick does not sink like a rock, it is a semi-floating/sinking type. It floats for a moment and then slowly sinks and almost does not settle to the bottom. This gives a bit more time for the fish to eat it before the bottom feeders get to it.

 

[RD.]

and they have an interesting comparison chart on many different foods as to the ingredients list.

The only thing interesting about that, is that a company would be ignorant enough (or perhaps desperate enough?) to actually post that crap on their website. Seriously, I could have written a far more accurate comparison chart back when I was in Jr High, which was almost 40 yrs ago. lol

This "chart" and the info on it was brought up by Mo last year on MFK, you might be interested in some of the comments made in that previous discussion. I jumped in at post #23, and provided yet another link back to the person who originally put this chart together.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?414620-Fish-Food-Summary


Clearly Mo's friend barely understands the basic principles involving fish nutrition, feeding, label regulations, etc. It was a VERY poorly written document and IMO no company (are you reading this Ricky Biro?) should have attached their name to that, or used it in any form in an attempt to make their product appear more superior than others.

 

[RD.]

and a link back to my discussion with the author of that chart .......

http://forums.eastcoastcichlids.org/showthread.php?t=5361

Rather obvious that Mo's pal didn't understand half of what I was saying.

 

[DMD123]

Wow not trying to start a food debate here. It is just an interesting comparison of the first three ingredients. If you were looking at a food label (which I do quite a bit being diabetic) if I saw the first couple ingredients as being sugar, corn syrup, white flour or such I would think twice about buying it. Granted more info is necessary than this to understand the full nutritional value but it is just a start.

I really dont want an MFK food debate here on our nice website.

 

[RD.]

What food debate? You posted the link to the chart, not I.

I was simply pointing out that it was a VERY poorly put together document, by somoene who clearly didn't know what the hell he was talking about ...... period, end of story.

I wasn't debating about food. Whoa ........

 

[fishman09]

RD wonder where you rank omega one next to all the others of course NLS is tops on your list. I love the ingredient list on omega one, its short sweet and has lots of whole fish ingredients which i like.

 

[Madness]

Different subject for a different thread. The OP on this thread is not asking that question.

Thank you.

 

[DMD123]

The main reason for posting the chart was in regard to the topic that I had brought up about plant based foods.

Some of the foods listed on that list that have names that would indicate a plant base as being the primary ingredient dont really have it. Example: Ocean Nutrition Cichlid Veggie, first three ingredients: Plankton, Wheat germ, Salmon fillets. So where is the Veggie as advertised in the name. Plankton is a tough one to call veggie because of its biomass variability. Unless they meant to use Phytoplankton as the first ingredient.

The chart also showed something interesting for those who looked at it carefully. Xtreme (the ones who made the chart) said something about their own product. Notice the second product is *Fish Meal. If you go to the bottom the the page the *footnote reads: *Fish Meal of an unknown source. So what does that tell you? If you dont know where your product comes from.... see where Im going with that one? How can you talk up the "quality" of your product when your not sure of the source of the ingredients.

So this poorly put together document does not really give good credibility to Xtreme but to go with my original topic it is interesting to see foods that make you believe they are plant based by their names really only contain a minor amount.

 

[RD.]

Xtreme didn't make the chart.

The person who made the chart originally posted it on eastcoastcichlids in Aug of 2010, which I linked to previously.

I'm glad that you found it interesting .........