Do you know if this color pattern is sex-linked? The reason I ask is that in mammals it is; for example, 'calico' cats, in which only females display tricolor coat patterns.
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Good question, not sure if that is the case with goldfish too... Now you got me wondering. The vendors are selling both male and female of what they call "Tricolor".
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Actually, now that I think about it, I've sort of answered the question already in one of my previous posts, the one in which I indicated that goldfish are tetraploid. So even if this were a sex-linked trait, a tetraploid organism has two copies of each sex chromosome, so you could have both male and female tricolors. And obviously the vendor has both. In the bigger picture, this is likely to be one reason that there are so many goldfish lines with all these exotic mutations, because tetraploidy allows them to carry those mutations without suffering the consequences of linked genetic lethals. The same thing happens in tetraploid crop species, e. g. maize.
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Look, I'm already knee deep in Endler and Human genetics, should probably be learning Betta genetics.
The goldfish genetics will have to wait until they hatch, grow up and start expressing genes that interest me like the light blue on the back of the male butterfly koi that I used as the sire.....
Grrrrr off to Google scholar and Academia lol
Very quick check. It's heterozygous, meaning it can come from both and depends on how it expresses itself in dominance. I'm dealing with that in my magenta snakeskin saddleback colony. They carry purple body and blue tail genes. The magenta is dominant. When I get dominant blue tail genes they express a full purple body which dominates the snakeskin body/ tail genes. I get a pink with purple irridescence body and a black tail with blue irridescence.
The flip of that is the purple body gene that carries blue tail as excessive. I maintain the snakeskin body and magenta saddleback with the purple. The tails are pink, black and occasionally specs of white.
Same thing with the calico. One might express it, while another male or female doesn't. I'd imagine it's similar to the Endlers where you need to see the fish side by side after several generations to even get it to be one sided in the ratio, so you would still get the occasional internal argument.
It's a scale mutation. A quick first cup of coffee summary. I haven't found a nice chart and breakdown of it like I have for guppies just yet. But those took a lot of time to find in the first place. I'm sure there is similar for a much longer bred fish. Much of my goldfish research has been geared more toward very early cultivation of carp, American cichlids, catfish etc... Where fish with albinism / leucism / really pretty patterns would be kept by rulers / cultural icons of civilizations.
We know goldfish were kept for thousands of years. Meso/central/ South America had floating islands of agriculture where they would net and pen large cichlids for food. Why wouldn't a Mayan king have a pond of beautiful Mayan Cichlids? They're in the art, we know they had pens, aquaculture and royal ponds. Why not?
The goldfish genetics will have to wait until they hatch, grow up and start expressing genes that interest me like the light blue on the back of the male butterfly koi that I used as the sire.....
Grrrrr off to Google scholar and Academia lol
Very quick check. It's heterozygous, meaning it can come from both and depends on how it expresses itself in dominance. I'm dealing with that in my magenta snakeskin saddleback colony. They carry purple body and blue tail genes. The magenta is dominant. When I get dominant blue tail genes they express a full purple body which dominates the snakeskin body/ tail genes. I get a pink with purple irridescence body and a black tail with blue irridescence.
The flip of that is the purple body gene that carries blue tail as excessive. I maintain the snakeskin body and magenta saddleback with the purple. The tails are pink, black and occasionally specs of white.
Same thing with the calico. One might express it, while another male or female doesn't. I'd imagine it's similar to the Endlers where you need to see the fish side by side after several generations to even get it to be one sided in the ratio, so you would still get the occasional internal argument.
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It's a scale mutation. A quick first cup of coffee summary. I haven't found a nice chart and breakdown of it like I have for guppies just yet. But those took a lot of time to find in the first place. I'm sure there is similar for a much longer bred fish. Much of my goldfish research has been geared more toward very early cultivation of carp, American cichlids, catfish etc... Where fish with albinism / leucism / really pretty patterns would be kept by rulers / cultural icons of civilizations.
We know goldfish were kept for thousands of years. Meso/central/ South America had floating islands of agriculture where they would net and pen large cichlids for food. Why wouldn't a Mayan king have a pond of beautiful Mayan Cichlids? They're in the art, we know they had pens, aquaculture and royal ponds. Why not?
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Yesterday I just did a couple drain and fill water changes with no gravel vac on the garage tanks and then the wife said there was a “smell”… so I did gravel vacs this morning just to be sure there was no uneaten food. The one I usually suspect in the red wolf tank that gets Hikari Massivore, but no uneaten food there. My new suspect may be the goldfish tank that gets the Saki-Hikari. Though no uneaten food, it is the most recent change to feeding in the garage.
BPSabelhaus
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Fish pond smell or bearded dragon insectivore stank? That vegetarian/carnivore stank is distinctive lol Then there's decaying vegetation stank and "clearly something is leaking water" stanks too.
Edit: Then there is "mouse got into the car" stank.
Edit: Then there is "mouse got into the car" stank.
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Scraping some algae today. One of the female Bettas from the spawn that I decided to keep is coloring up nicely
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I recently had one of those 'Why didnt I think of this sooner?' moments. I had been doing water changes for a few years in the garage and the python kept splashing everywhere around the utility sink. I would think if the valve sat lower in the sink, it might not be wet all over when I do water changes. So a simple fix to add the little 6" hose kink protector and tested today with no splashing!
BPSabelhaus
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I know what I'm doing today lol
Fed the fish before the lights came on. Knew I needed to pull floaters, but didn't realize how bad lol Probably adjust the timer too. It's under a South facing window now.
Fed the fish before the lights came on. Knew I needed to pull floaters, but didn't realize how bad lol Probably adjust the timer too. It's under a South facing window now.
BPSabelhaus
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Thinking about kicking a few aquariums lol
Not really, just realized I need to move some stock.
I have a male and a female purple Betta.
Pond filter cleaning day.
Not really, just realized I need to move some stock.
I have a male and a female purple Betta.
Pond filter cleaning day.
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fishguy1978
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Just watching 
A midweek AC110 and gravel/ water change on my goldfish tank before new arrival tomorrow.
Sitting here looking at a near empty 46G bowfront trying to figure out what to do with it. Originally was thinking of small community fishes, based off a school of Madagascar rainbows but now I dont have a clue if thats what I want to do… have considered moving the hairy puffer to that tank and take the Fluval Flex out of rotation for a bit.
Sitting here looking at a near empty 46G bowfront trying to figure out what to do with it. Originally was thinking of small community fishes, based off a school of Madagascar rainbows but now I dont have a clue if thats what I want to do… have considered moving the hairy puffer to that tank and take the Fluval Flex out of rotation for a bit.
BPSabelhaus
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Giving away Bettas lol
5 so far plus another 5 females going to somebody in a couple hours.
Good day today, meeting nice people
Edit: 10 Bettas with new homes
5 so far plus another 5 females going to somebody in a couple hours.
Good day today, meeting nice people
Edit: 10 Bettas with new homes
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BPSabelhaus
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Goldfish spawn update. Saw a couple wrigglers in the shoebox so I transferred all the moss and the water into the 5 gallon Greenwater with more moss and plants already in it.
So current status is green. Or Super green if we wanna get fifth element lol Cant see anything in there. 2 weeks ago there was wriggling little fish in clear water, now it's green all the way down lol
Going off last year's photos it might be a couple weeks until they get a fish shape anyway.
Just recommended one of the people picking up Bettas to the box. Keeps guppies, just picked up two female Bettas with his little girls for their tanks
So current status is green. Or Super green if we wanna get fifth element lol Cant see anything in there. 2 weeks ago there was wriggling little fish in clear water, now it's green all the way down lol
Going off last year's photos it might be a couple weeks until they get a fish shape anyway.
Just recommended one of the people picking up Bettas to the box. Keeps guppies, just picked up two female Bettas with his little girls for their tanks
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BPSabelhaus
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I'd say I did a good job breeding Bettas lol But what did I do? Fed them.
I need to figure out Betta genetics. Neither parent had black fins like that. In Endlers the pink dominates all colors but allow black and white to display though broken up a bit. Not sure if similar here, but wee deep dive lol
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BPSabelhaus
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Organized my spares
